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Well, why do you think? But it does keep me remembering that it wasnt always that I had five hydro flasks, a desk that goes up and down an ocean view like it wasnt always like that. Its not about you. I would say I dont know if its the very first, but I would say as far as I know as being an Oregonian, its definitely the first that was on the map. Ive been telling you. Yeah, thats a whole nother. Now youre like throwing down some deep stuff on here. I mean, hes this old, you know, this whole pirate or not, Pirate is this old boat captain, you know, from back in the day, and and to see him nervous about and he told me hes like, Yeah, if they just dump us overboard and they show up in whatever port they can say that they found it and then they sell it, and thats how they make their money. He ended up with, like, three or four and a grocery store, and it was extremely exciting because Ive never really been in. And if it really needs to be out there, do it. Anyway. Travis at T u m a l o g r o u p dot com Perfect. That was always makes number. And so, being a boat captain, I I couldnt listen to the radio. Yeah, when you order 20,000, where was he giving you? I shy away from from social media, the you. He remains concerned about other kids passing away from addiction because "we just don't do a damn thing about it." She showed up that same day. First thing is, do you have three h p t s for entrepreneurs who are listening out there who either Not just even starting a company for sure. Like it kind of caps out being a dive instructor at how many students you can have and how much money you can actually make. Because nobody wants a double wall vacuum insulated water bottles, bottle there only drinking out of aluminum in single wall and maybe stainless. And that put me in 49% And 49% is when the you know, I only jokingly have to say that the forklift came in and dropped off the corporate playbook and I look at this playbook that was 8000 pages long, and he says you stay here another four years. And I thought, Well, that guy is crazy, And sure enough, I write the letter. Rosbach is married to Mary Anne. The only one I didnt get to fly that I was a little bit bummed about was the d C. But its a tail dragger. Yes. You know, its just 1%. That was smart because youre smarter than I. I mean, we we got by, but I definitely learned to hustle at a very young age and and by my own Air Jordans. Do you have a You havent done a business. And then I would go back there when the fishing season started. You sell all 3000 of these things? Well, so I put an ad on Craigslist that I needed help at Hydro flask and I got a response. Im gonna sell some more. And I didnt know that it was a hairline fracture in the rollers until the day we sold it. Um, it was he said, theres a bunch of hippies making these bottles in bend Oregon that not a lot of people know about. Are you the type of person who wants to get 100% out of your time, talent and ideas? Maybe five or six. We we we got, you know, 15 little micro stores around the Northwest. Were gonna build water bottles. Amphibian. And if its, you know, if I did, it was R and B, and, uh, you know, I cant exchange R and B for food and went to the cash jury when that cash was gone. And, you know, Schrag to sell. Were gonna have to hold you back a year and had already been held back once. The governors mansion down here at the bottom was the homeless people. Im sorry um, I would say that if you get a calling to do something, do it because it will be hard and it will get harder and unseen. All right, so we bet you know, a couple of beers or whatever Sure enough, the cruise ship passengers showed up, they bought them out, and we sold out of the ugliest shirt I could ever imagine. I did do a lot of research on Oahu about different mouth sizes. The common misnomer is that, well, if you dont get enough cells, you go out of business. But its kind of fun to say that I flew something equivalent to a seven something. Uh, yeah. They also know that you know, this order might only be $10,000 for them or $100,000 for them. Captain Lee captioned the video, "45 and counting, no one I'd rather be with than my best friend." But when they came to the corporate side of things, I had no clue. She tells me I have to stop asking questions at 11. A sundeck, Viking river Cruises: Delve into culture and meet the locals at riverside American Queen Steamboat company Elvis fans, your ship has come in 2023 Departure Dates s most renowned rivers towns! And man did I love it. We worked with a lot of the top agencies and just learned so much about marketing and graphic design in general and just built up a really big RGB versus C M Y K, and the whole whole side of business that I did not get at the, uh, the fence company I picked up at the sign company. What do you know about water bottles? It starts with a K K. And you should get one, and youre gonna love it. Absolutely. And so it was It was really great that she took the risk on us. Up for a new credit card please click here and help support LiveAndLetsFly.com run Viking just announced more river Cruises the world s most renowned rivers ship Sneak peek at artist of! Its a lot easier to have a return customer than it is to get a new one. Yeah. And what was her name was Roma. Capt. I was like in seven minutes, and I need you to feed the dog when I get home because I got to get on there um So Im going to tell her that you Im gonna figure that out, and Ill email you and tell you, uh, when that moment happens. They dont even actually know what they want. We had friends killed, raped, robbed on the regular. You know, You know what happened in L. A. We werent really slow. Were not gonna talk about that or not Get out of it. I have not been great with that like that. And we basically had a fire sale and sold off. And theres a million lessons in that you can you can go really wrong. Got it! In 2009, Capt. Travis Rosbach, a SCUBA divemaster, US Merchant Marine boat captain, commercial airline pilot, and world exploreralong with his then-girlfriend, entrepreneur Cindy Weber got fed up with wasteful and environmentally toxic plastic water bottlesand the few bulky metal alternatives available at the time. I graduated on a Thursday, Monday morning. But it just It just started to snowball so quickly, which is something that people dont talk about too much is businesses. I think she just came home from teaching dog school. Um, Hawker I had a guy who had a hawker that I used to fly with. And theyre like, Well, $280,000 and well go towards the exit, and, um, I opened up the I mean, they brought in their top brass. And hes like, How fun with that Travis and I walked into the house. I think the best thing about getting through and having a happy marriage is that you always have your best friend by your side, no matter what." We gotta let you go, and were closing down, and Im getting ready to skip town. And then And then people would only come to get the hydro flasks and they would buy other things and say we were her favorite and I even got free elephant ears sometimes. I think you can say anything you want. Mary Anne frequently accompanies her husband on the road to galas and events, even taking part in a variety of meet-and-greets with her husband. And so I know I need a plotter, and theyre like, Oh, boy. So when that started to all kind of come down, we we were fortunate enough to get out of our lease and walk away from it. I think I I think thats really important. Wife, mother, business owner, entrepreneur, coin And, um And then So I just sketched it out and then saving it all of that money, I was able to hire the first graphic designer in house. Good. Viking is coming to the Mississippi! I mean, thats a Its a tough sourcing things. Uh, what is, uh, chain sawing juniper trees? But in the time that I said, I will and he laughed, which was just a bill a second I saw the future. I mean, the whole thing just goes down, so you got to hopefully get yourself out if you can. The Vikings are on the move again. I was hungry. So it was right there off the main street. No problem. No passengers. But that did not go anywhere. My family came over and helped start checking, insulated versus non insulated rest versus non rust. And thanks again. Thanks for being generous with your time and joining us for this episode of build a business success Secrets. Well, when you picked up that magazine and, like, just knew you just made a decision right there cant explain it. Ill take it. Preview Viking's new Viking Mississippi riverboat cruise coming to the American river in August 2022. And I was like, Oh, this things got three. And so what I did is I made a copy of it. That fine line of made in China was marked, and you could have seen it. Sorry. He sold Hydro Flask 7 years after he founded it for $210 million. With pirates. Im not beating up on them because the reason that they were in the early days, thats all that we had And they had some cool designs, candidly. This is great. That thats really wonderful. Yeah, if Im not flying a jet or riding a motorcycle or jumping out of an airplane, the chain saw is the most dangerous way for me to focus. Theres a hell of a good job at manufacturing. At five decks tall, the new ship will certainly overshadow the smaller Viking Long Ships plying the rivers of Europe. Whether youre an entrepreneur, starting with an idea or growing your business, this show is for you. Theres no American made metal, stainless steel, double wall, vacuum insulated bottles made in China and anywhere else besides China. Well, I so no, I was not worried. Hes like, Well, let me check a check. The family had a major Im good now. I dont know what happened, but I do remember, Don came and they floated away Sort of one last time. Yeah. Think International commerce on a local level. Thanks. And theyre like, No, we dont do that like Okay, well, what do we do? And I knew that business. I mean, I really, honestly was. The Its sort of like the I actually did it too. And I flew every single airplane that I ever wanted to fly. We started out with 5000 square foot at least. So, yeah, when you open up the door and let people come out, sometimes theyll hit the plane and or their shoots all open and their chutes open, it hits the tail, and then you just you just auger. [1] They provided the first all-insulate bottle into the market of water bottles But not as quick as we had thought or wanted to. Or did you? Well, then Im going to do that. And my partner said no. But back then there was no, there is none of that. Yeah, I think when you see your life passed before you, uh, you get perspective. But he crashed the caravan. Well, I appreciate you, uh, setting that record straight. And so what do you Where do you go to sell them? And they had really big flaps too. Were gonna sell those. And it keeps hot and keeps cold and 24 12 hours. Because I want to hear about this business and told him he goes Well, what do you need? It was Saturday and Sunday. No. And I didnt know what had happened. This is the cruise ship. I got that. Yeah, it was a political Yeah. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. We were cleared up to, like, 20 25,000 ft and we just went It just took right off, just like a rocket ship. The moneys in the bank. My partner says we need $882,642.79. We ended up with a suitcase, each in about $11,000 and we ordered 3000 M o. Q. Do you have an office at the factory? 10 oclock. And so she was useless. A second American Cruise Lines vessel, the 150-passenger American Eagle, is scheduled to debut on the Mississippi in April. We just moved into this rental house and was like, I guess Ill go see what hes here for. Ended up in Saint Croix and met my dad, and he had scuba diving shops. I would really appreciate it if you would share this podcast with a friend or family member, join our newsletter at ExpatMoneyShow.com and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. And I said, Shes like, What are you interviewing that guy who founded Hydro Flask? And, you know, I dont know what I was going to do next. Oh, seven, which I always kind of got a kick out of its like people say, Well, how big a planes did you fly it and say, Well, equivalency of the 707 and not everybody knows what is seven. Are you drunk at the bar? The malls. I had no idea. And then how does someone get in touch with you? And I kind of worked my way out of that one house. He wants to talk to you like Christ. The big one is that we were made in bend until I sold. I reached over, took the pin from her. I guess this was another one of those cerebellum moments. And so we stood out next to the train tracks with, uh, with a little Rubbermaid table and from the sign company, we knew about branding and printing. I flew a bomber. She was from the Czech Republic and Alice and I just just doodled on paper and napkins and I would brainstorm and she would create and she would brainstorm and I would create. When I was probably 19, we had some Italians working in the dive shop, and they said, Hey, we want to go down to this place called Louis Raucous or Marguerite Island, which is a really nice place to dive. He was working at R E I. So you were You had your you were type for jets. What happened was we ordered 3000, but we ran out of money and we moved back to bend and moved in with my mom, and we had no money. And they changed the law from September to October 5 to 6, or whatever the numbers were. And then it started. And I remember I was like, Well, the hydro flask I sold and I think you were around 12 or 13 million in revenue at that point. But then I drink out of it and it was like the whole The orphans was just too small and I couldnt get ice cubes in it, and I dropped it, dented the gold stuff on the inside. And so we bought two trucks, two trailers. I mean, passion, passion, and its the same size as seven. Had I been in college. I see that hairline fracture is a 25 cent part, and it it cost, like, tens of thousands of dollars of, you know, just redoing stuff. Have you built any more products like the Hydro Flash or thought about that? I was like, Im going. Im really grateful for you, Sharon being open and sharing the true story. I do. I say I was in the V I for on and off. I dont think that were always that smarter aware, but, um, were you at all was there, like, any red flag like, Hey, Travis, get your rear back here out of China, like Im No, no, no. And so I really enjoy that initial startup and being through it as many times as I have personally. And the guy said, Well, you know, we pulled him because there might be this thing in plastic. So h p t is a high percentage tip that Im that I made up from high percentage spot. Lets just say a million dollars. Weve always been made in China, but I always marketed and put out there without breaking the law. Therefore she knew how to do the numbers. Its a monthly playbook about the inner game of building a successful business. So I go from door to door just doing this plan of just pay per lap, and we should be okay, because Im not going to really run so fun. You may hate it, but either way, Ive got one. I like this. According to The Daily Dish though, the kids have no interest in watching Captain Lee on Below Deck, as he recounted, "Two of my sons have been involved in yachting. So how do you, Um, So you have this basically, these water bottles that were cool, but they didnt function right? We used to fly the from Virginia Beach all the way up to, uh, theres a launch pad I forget right now where you cant go past government airspace. Its about what they want. I mean, when people are paying 20 to 25 additional points overnight for what they had been doing yesterday, they want to get out and go do else, whether it be another country or another business altogether. First announced at the end of March, the all-new Viking Mississippi will inaugurate Viking's first-ever river cruises on a North American waterway when it begins operations in August 2022. I know it. And then when he bought that, when he bought that one, I went out and, like, bought 10 of them because they work, but going back to you selling it, Did you putting that on Craigslist? Screw you. This is called the mainland because Hawaii is a state. Well, so yeah, back up to that. That was a semi rigid inflatable did that and a little bit bigger. I said, Okay, well, then I know people who are making trailers right now in China. Um, I dont know that I should say Merrill Lynch, Can I say Merrill Lynch on the air? 15 different businesses like, Yeah, its just great to be here. It was had a great texture. But the tariffs really gave us a lot of initiative to open up in American factories. So well catch up on the channel that I know where to grab you and have a great rest of the week, man. I had somebody in Utahs just talking to and he said, Im in Utah. We had little brochures and flyers, and I literally just filled it up with ice and put a piece of duct tape on it. One is what is the sweet spot of the people You can help. Im gonna ask her when she had her pivotal moment. Good. It was beautiful, positive energy around you. I didnt know how to charge. So Trudy started selling into retail which we thought was awesome. Like thats actually a pretty good, you know, racket for them, but not create for us. Unlike Viking Longships, Viking Mississippi Living Room, one of the river ship your! Are you worried that you dont understand how to do the equity or at this point, you have a lawyer? She got remarried to a Vietnam vet who had PTSD. I was like, Well, what about a water bottle. And theyre like, No, no, were not. And I get this, like, dear John letter. I just dropped in a metal water bottle home. It just seemed play was healthy and outdoors. Travis Rosbach is known for his work on Inspired Money (2017). In July of 2020, Captain Lee opened up to People about how the loss of their son Josh continues to affect his and Mary Anne's life, admitting it never gets any easier because "we're not wired to do this at all. And Mary Anne, my wife, actually asked one of them, she said, 'Did you watch Dad's show tonight on TV?' Um, on on a whole host of things. And then the following week, somebody came up and said, Hey, I saw you in the newspaper. Scared the crap out of me and they would put dope on it, and it smelled like bananas. Excuse me in Tortola. The Italians completely screwed us over, you know, thousands of dollars and park fees and this fee, and they were just totally trying to get one over on this. Riverboat Cruises with Beautiful Scenery, Historic Landmarks & Award Winning Amenities Viking Mississippi Living Room, one of the first places youll see upon boarding the river ship. Vessels combine hotel-like comforts with the relaxing atmosphere of a small ship and Russia Delve into culture and meet locals! The other side of that, I guess thats not a misnomer, because its true. So now youre now youre raising money mode in crisis mode to raise the money rock and a hard spot. Required fields are marked *. Leave. Do you think its that that we were back in and, uh, keep it in America and the tariffs and things like that and the things like that have been lifted. I just I just said it was going to be and they just made it happen. Yeah, I gotta go down to, uh, see, I went as far as Venezuela, which was been to Venezuela. How did you feel that I had that same sort of, you know, I tapped out on a Thursday Friday. We started out in my grandparents garage in Salem, and we had to get out of there and moved to my moms shed. I just kind of trot and she goes, Well, okay, how about, you know, $2 a lap or whatever the number was? Also in some parts of that was better, but not maybe as good, but pretty much anything. What did your wife say when you have that moment? Theres no cells agent, theres no middleman. We worked right on. And I used to wear a parachute myself, and it was like an old ass military World War two Vietnam area. And, you know, we knew all that stuff. Yeah, but I remember I can remember like you. Anybody listening out there that I dont like flight attendants is just that I, uh when I flew a lot, they were mean, Yeah, for the most part. Hang in there and keep doing what you are supposed to do and we will see ya'll on the other side of this." But then that made me realize that maybe we could get these into retail stores and my moms neighbour. Taking to Instagram from his backyard, the Below Deck boss advised, "My bride and I are well. Im going to Florida tomorrow to go buy a yacht. A few scrapes on my head that are covered over by hair. At least at least, um so I was like, Oh, well, he probably made some coin, and I cant imagine you didnt make enough money to at least go by your truck back. I dont even have a car at this time because she just took my truck, let alone that much money to give her half of what youre buying were buying her for. I am not funding businesses. We really do. Since then, Ive Ive definitely learned that you need to get, you know, and I knew the guy. Uh, we went up to Portland in the Saturday market under the Burnside Bridge, and it was a really, really hot summer day. Uh, its like Im gonna go pay cash for it. And I didnt actually, my heart wasnt in it. Still, Mary Anne herself remains a bit of a mystery. You know, you always remember the negative experiences. Thats my number and then did that for quite a while in ST Croix came a dive shop, and they went over to ST Thomas, where I moved into Sapphire Beach Resort and worked in ST John at Bob and Anne Maries Loki dive shop. Highlights of the new ship, many illustrated here, include a number of familiar as well as some new features. We got the NBA, we got the military. So I did the same thing that I went right up to the next door neighbors house. And so what they arranged, I think, was an interest only at the first million. Travis told a few stories that hes never told anywhere else, and it is packed with so many high percentage tips that I cant even count. Just go out by the train tracks. Um, right there near where she was staying and adopted my sister. And then one day I just had this kind of like, sinking sick feeling and I said, Its all over. And I had that moment and I was at I remember, you know, this woman had a pink one and I went up and I asked her, Im like, Where did you get that? Hes like, Oh, yeah, lets totally do that. Ill do this and the guy laughed. 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