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Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. But you do not need any imagination when you view a rather conclusive image that reveals that the 'patchwork' on the wreck does not match the location of the actual damage on the Olympic: Photograph of RMS Olympic showing the location of the damage. carburetter (he had filled in his declaration Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. These include: Lookout Fredrick Fleet, Quartermaster George Rowe, Quartermaster Alfred Olliver, A post disaster image of Olympic shows the plating joint has disappeared, revealing she is in fact Titanic. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. 14. Claim: More than fifty first class passengers cancelled at the last minute, many of them friends and business associates of JP Morgan, and Morgan himself (who had money tied up in the White Star Line) also cancelled claiming that he was ill. Morgan was found two days later by a reporter in good health at a French resort with his mistress. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau Titanic researcher and wreck explorer Parks Stephenson, who most recently was involved in photographing the Titanic wreck in 2019, simply replied: "People will see what they want" (26/09/2019) and posted this image: Claim: The starboard B-deck windows on the wreck are narrow, which matches the Olympic, not the Titanic. More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. is unfair and disingenuous at best. Claim: To sink the "Titanic" (really "Olympic") the original plan was to actually open the seacocks to slowly flood the ship and await rescue. 39. In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. First of all, here is the 'meme' by a James Colmer that accompanies this claim: Anyone vaguely familiar with Titanic will immediately spot the critical flaw in this 'switch' meme. Updates? Olympic had 16 bow portholes. in the Government. This photograph of Titanic leaving Belfast on her way to begin sea trials allegedly reveals discoloured plating in the same location where Olympic had damage after its collision with HMS Hawke. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. Not content with an insurance scam 'switch' he also proposes that Titanic (really Olympic) hit, not an iceberg, but an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above, 31. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. 31. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. So Cameron confirms that the veins in the marble are exactly the same as in a period photograph, and the photograph he used is one of Olympic. Olympic, Titanic and Britannic) all had watertight bulkheads so it would Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. 48. The number 401 on Olympic woodwork recovered from the wreck but, although in excellent condition, there was no between eighty and ninety feet.". 19. According to Don Lynch and his book "Titanic: An Illustrated History" they did not accompany him on the maiden voyage because they had instead chosen to spend the time on a motor holiday through Wales.. However his comments that the It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. name on it. Where is the photograph? Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. (Click to enlarge), Titanic author Steve Hall summarises the porthole history: "At the time of the Titanic's launch there were 14 portholes in the port side plating between the focsle deck and the sheer line of the hull, but by December the same year, the ship was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. Their error is simple: actually Titanic would have been the same tonnage as Olympic i.e. keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. It is quite possible that those who "remember" Ballard giving a presentation in which he said he saw evidence it was the Olypmic are actually just remembering the documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" which contained fake imagery falsely purported to be evidence of a switch filmed by Ballard. (Click image to enlarge). (Click image to enlarge). 44. However he conveniently does not explain The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." james fenton titanic. 19343. Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing It is, however, agreed that crew returning to England were under instructions to give evidence at the Board of Trade Inquiry and not to talk to the media beforehand. Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. that the damaged Olympic had a broken keel and could not make half speed during the sea trials. Ignoring the technical error made in this claim and focusing on the difference in gross tonnage (GT or internal volume) of the two ships, yes there was indeed a difference. Claim: The Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of around 45,000, while the Titanic weighed in [sic] at about 46,000. [American Inquiry, Day 7] There is no mention that he jumped in from B Deck. from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. and would never get a job when they got out. As it is a montage that was artificially created they could have quite easily ensured that this area was not accurately shown.? Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. Most died of exposure in the freezing water of the North Atlantic because there were not enough lifeboats. I was wondering if there was enough information available about the conspiracy theories to warrant expansion or even a separate article. The source of this erroneous claim is here. to Gallatin TN (Pop. Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. Author Steve Hall: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic.". It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. B. Ismay know this? Photographs taken of Titanic leaving Southampton also reveal a slight port list. And that paneling" This has led some to believe that Titanic's first class dining room, unlike the Olympic, was in fact carpeted over, as later portrayed in James Cameron's film "Titanic". Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. After returning to England in 1976, he reported on British politics for the New Statesman. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg The longer they were at sea, the more money it cost. The number 401, Titanic's shipyard number, is also on the Titanic's starboard propeller. This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. Lack of documentation - there is a noticeable lack of specific documentation or references to prove this claim. This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. Importantly, Claim: Titanic had a newly named room, "The Olympic Room" because, superstitious shipping merchants believe it is bad luck to change the name on a ship, and J Bruce Ismay, and J.P. Morgan thought it best to have the Olympic's name still somewhere on board. and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. Due to the lack of media coverage Lack of testimony. In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. )", By December 1911, Titanic was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains this particular claim: According to the book "The Ship That Never Sank" (pages 134-135) B Deck had no cabins extending to the hull as boats were visible. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. If not, it is a moot point. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. James Fenton (b. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston Quite simply, Titanic had 14 portholes on the port side C deck (bow) when launched, but in the following months she received 2 extra for better light and air. The second photograph is of Titanic, while still being fitted out in 1911, which shows no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. 37. It began in January of 1912 The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. Damage from Olympic 's collision with Hawke was more significant 3. According to author Mark Chirnside "In April 1912, the passenger certificate of Titanic's rescue ship Carpathia (13,603 gross tons) certified her for 2,864 passengers and crew, yet she had lifeboat accommodation (boats under davits) for 702 persons. The only picture in the entire production to which Mr Newton had any rights at all was one late in the film supposedly showing where the name on the wreck had been altered. It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act - Lookout Reginald Lee at the British Inquiry (Day 4) ice " fall inboard. One of the ships bells was The fields are mined and the moon is bright. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. by passengers and crew familiar with the Olympic? off the bell. This line of reasoning goes with the assumption that Olympic's keel was damaged, for which there is no evidence as discussed in the point above. Toggle navigation. 11. The collision with an And that there were not binoculars on the Titanic? His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. Although the ship had 14, then later 16, portholes on the port side, she had 15 on her starboard side, and this number remained consistent throughout. This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. the number of revolutions some time on Monday or Tuesday to 78, which he claimed would drive the ship at 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. 100 cubic feet equals 1 "ton" of internal volume. When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. Local "runners". seemingly confuses the two in name. Order. If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational Some have analysed the footage concluding for example that the X-shaped viewing field seen in the video is caused by the camera rig's lighting. For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. This is completely false. B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. However this claim goes with the assumption that the White Star Line was suffering financially. the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit It would have been a press scoop. Did they think they would just stand there and watch? During her construction and in this particular photograph the name was not very clear so the photographer took the liberty of sketching it in, which was not an unusual practice of the day. This is another one of those inaccurate claims that more importantly does not make any sense even if it was accurate. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail Secondly, the angle and lighting conditions are very different from the other images, so it is not a fair comparison. . According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch Marble in the Sitting Room Far from the wisdom of the brain. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. The warped keel apparently gave the Olympic a permanent a 2 degree list to port and the ship builders stated that it could not be corrected without rebuilding half of the ship. The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. Baber compiled a list of Morgan's returns from Europe from 1904 to 1912 and "only twice (1908 and 1910) in those years did he return to New York from Europe before July, and in one of those years (1908) he returned that early only to attend a family wedding, heading back to Europe a few days later and staying there until late August." When or where did he ever say he discovered this? Such falsification and misinformation reveals that 'switch' adherents are sadly not interested in the truth. She worked up to 80. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. Of course there is none. showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). December 31 st 1911. They They also question why on the night of the collision the captain of the Californian decided to sleep fully clothed on a five and a half foot couch in the chart room and ordered that her boilers be kept fired up and the engines on standby. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. Paddy also said Although Fenton is absent from all the available crew lists, it doesn't immediately negate his story - the lists are not infallible, and we all saw how Leonardo Di- er, Jack Dawson blagged his . The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. His experiences there provided fodder for the poems in Manila Envelope (1989). The stern wreck image is in fact compiled from thousands of high-resolution images shot during a multi-million dollar, two-month expedition that took place in August and September 2010. of her 24 double-ended boilers connected up." a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Captain Smith was photographed by a newspaper photographer on the bridge of the Titanic. 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